Monday, August 27, 2007

arguments

speeches, arguments, logic, for and against...

arguments aren't just about getting stroppy with someone and trying to prove you're right by talking louder than them - it's about forming opinions and being able to structure a convincing argument.

Are there any interesting points to debate about our choice of chickens for mummifying?

45 comments:

Alpha said...

hm... I don't really know.
But last year my class did a dabate about having fire works displays only..... no private home one.

IM A ROOM5IAN said...

there are so many diffferent companies that breed, kill, and sell chickens. for me it kind of depends on how their life was, and how they were killed. for us it is part of the foodchain to kill, eat etc, but i dont think that we have any rigfht whatsoever kill them brutally. they deserve a life like us. i suppose it is where you buy the meat from, some places kill animals brutally, without thought on what they really deserve.......others, i dont know, some room for investigation...
but on another point it is part of the food chain.... :(

it isnt fair (another value!)!!!!

i think we should investigate companies that dont kill animals brutally, then buy the least amount of chickens possible to..... :(.......mummify!!

i wonder about 'tegal' or 'ingham'....companies like that.

Kitty Kat said...

tegal and inghams are large production lines. My bets are on cruelty but i could be wrong!!!
I think we're best to go for companies that are smaller, and are labeled : Free Range Chickens.

Fire Work displays really scare animals, its the largest cause for animal deaths (as well as human risks!)

Kitty Kat said...

Battery Farming is another huge issue - with pigs.
They are so cruel.
They can't even turn around.
I won't eat any bacon that isn't labeled as free range, same goes for eggs and chickens.

Miss Candy said...

i think by mummifying chickens the'll be happy in the after life like the egyptians believed.

The more chickens the better!

Alpha said...

The less chickens the better..
The more chickens we buy, The more will be killed.
Fireworks is terrible, SOme people aim them at animals.
They loose eyes and even die becouse some people think it's funny

pom said...

Its not like we're wasting them, its for a good purpose; our education

Kitty Kat said...

BUT we could do it on one or two and still learn the same things!!!
THEY didn't get an education?!

Fireworks are terrible. Its not just that but also animals get scared by the big bangs and run out onto the street in frantic, sometimes being sqished bu cars.
83)

IM A ROOM5IAN said...

i dont think fire works are bad, i think how people handle the animals is bad, eg; on guyfawks, all animals should ideally be inside, and have somewhere where they can hide and feel safe.

but it is definately abbsolutely discusting to hurt helpless, in fact, ANY animals at all, amusment, because they think its funny, WHATEVER! it is not fair, its just low.

MR WOODY! what brand of chickens will we use, please make sure that the animal was killed nicely/quickly and had a good, HAPPY! life.

yes pom, they are not being wasted, but we have no right whatsoever to think that they should deserve anyless than us.

check out this website about battery hen cages:
http://www.upc-online.org/fall99/eu_cage_ban.html

SpUdArOoNy said...

absolutely. i agree with you guys! the chickens do deserve to live a happy life but we also have to remember that like room5ian seaid.. it is part of the food chain and instead of their guts being taken out and eaten.. we are mummifying them and making them look beautiful and caring for their death..

PLUS some people said we should find out which companys kill animals brutelly. i don't know if they would tell us truthefully because really they just want to sell their chickens amd make money. they don't really care how the chickens were killed as long as they ARE killed. =[[ sad i know. but its's reality.

Skipper Bob said...

well why don't we educate them before we sluaghter them and for eaach chicken we sluaghter we can slaughter a human as well then its all fair isn't it

how do you know the chiickens don't have education?

they could have seceret chicken schools and for the smart chickens they might have chicken unis and degrees!
instead of biology they have humanology!

for all we know we are the pets of our pets and they are cotroling our minds!

for all we know they know exactly what bugs us and do what bugs us on purpose

for example my dog is momentarily brown and is rolling on the furniture

what on earth do we now about anamils we can't talk to them and they can't replie to our queries


we know how they work

we know how they talk

we know when their hurt

we know how to tame them

but...

we don't know what there saying

or what their thinking

or what they do when were not watching

or what they've seen

or what their planing

or what they think about us

or how they feel about us

cheeseboy said...

i know, i reckon that it's not that bad about mummifying a chicken
because it goes to the afterlife and if we don't buy the chickens maybe the chickens might be wasted if no-one buys it!

i mean they will still be killed and if we go on strike or something it wouldn't do much if only 1 class did it. We need some1 influential to do a speech maybe, like, um let me see .... George Bush

Miss Candy said...

i think we could kill only one species for our own good, like for example lets only kill chickens, that way we aren't murdering cows, dears, horses,ducks,fish etc...killing animals this way mean that not as much animals will get endangered, like dear, whales...etc

The saying which goes: variety is the spice of life, i dont belive that because is murdering lots of animals the goodness of life? i believe not.

We want to eat animals! we dont care 'bout them, that ain't fair. would you like it if animals killed us for there own sake?

I know i wont, the population will go down, danger strikes more often, families worry, people think!


Nice going SB you stole my place!

Miss Candy said...

and cheeseboy!

cheeseboy said...

That sounds ludicrous! .... but maybe you're right, maybe there are secret organisms between animals, what happens if chickens are smarter that us!!!

cheeseboy said...

but if that happens than chickens will definately go extinct and then we shall move onto another source of meat, WE ARE KILLING THE WORLD!!

cheeseboy said...

it will defeat the purpose of the food chain if we gang bash them

cheeseboy said...

i need to go now

Kitty Kat said...

Bt the problem is skipper b. that we know that they don't have nice lifes, they're bred in a company then kept in tiny ages, so tiny they can't even turn.
Then they are kille after seeing there family being murded before them.
it is not sane!

Skipper Bob said...

if we just kill chickens then chickens would go extinct then cows then sheep thenbirds then cats then dogs then horses then tigers etc

Skipper Bob said...

well spudaroony stole mine (well my comment was short)

Kitty Kat said...

From previous post:

I don't think it matters who stole who's!!!!!!!!!!!
Humans are two main species.
The good and the bad.
The good- TREAT EVERYONE AND THING WITH RESPECT!!!!

The bad- SHOW NO RESPECT AND BELIEVE ONE TO BE SUPERIA TO OTHER BEINGS AND THINGS.

Poor pigs, chickens and other battery farmed animals.
Poor animals.
Dispicable.

SpUdArOoNy said...

absolutely right everyone!

well everyone has sort of said what i wanted to say. =[

maniac me said...

hello um i reckon that debating with out getting stroppy if you don't win is an important skill to learn especially if you arer my brother

Kitty Kat said...

yes.
LLOK AT THE MOON!!!!

IM A ROOM5IAN said...

chickens are clever, but in there own way. they know where to lay eggs, build nests, find food etc.

WWWWOOOOWWWWW!!!!!! who saw the moon?!? wasnt it great?!!?? wow it was amazing!
check out this website for more...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4181850a10.html

IM A ROOM5IAN said...

well, here we are all debating about it, but what are we doing about it? who buys tegal chicken? well, how do they kill there chckens?


i dont think that they would go extinct because they are breed in the cages......although im starting to wonder if they should all just have a good life and then eventually become extinct....hmmmmm........


ITS INSANE!!!!

Cooper said...

Wow you have all been doing some in-depth thinking about this topic. Is there a right answer? Just because we think its right does that make it right? Argh thinking about stuff like this confuses me, its really good though! Good to see lots of new people commenting on the blog too, well done! Check out my blog, I put some links to articles about endangered tigers to relate to the discussion we had today. Plus theres a picture of my beautiful kitty Sam.

Kitty Kat said...

hmmm...I don't think there is a right or wrong, it just depends on your opinion.

Skipper Bob said...

here are some egypt sites (sorry ms candy for this) which might be hepfull:

this one will let you look around egypt!

http://www.askforkids.com/fr?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbs.org%2Fwgbh%2Fnova%2Fegypt%2Fexplore%2F&bu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.askforkids.com%2Fweb%3Fq%3Dpyramids%26dm%3Dlang%26page%3D1&q=pyramids&o=0&l=dir&s=k&dm=lang&qt=0

and this one will tell you how to build a scale model of a pyramid!

http://www.askforkids.com/fr?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbs.org%2Fwgbh%2Fnova%2Fpyramid%2Fgeometry%2Findex.html&bu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.askforkids.com%2Fweb%3Fq%3Dpyramids%26dm%3Dlang%26page%3D1&q=pyramids&o=0&l=dir&s=k&dm=lang&qt=0

SAVE THE GORILLAS

Alpha said...

Fireworks is bad and all... but not all animals can be inside...
There are strays and somep people just don't care

IM A ROOM5IAN said...

i think how people USE the fireworks is bad....the animals dont have to be inside, just somewhere where they feel safe......people have no right whatsoever to hurt the animals.....but they do.....why do you think they do it? and, who is 'they'?

cheeseboy said...

Who are 'they'

IM A ROOM5IAN said...

Not everyone dosnt care, and people do try to help, the spca for example take in homeless, poorly treated, abused etc animals and help them find a new home....

Alpha said...

"They" are stupid people who think it's funny...
Teens and people who are drunk...

Alpha said...

New Post on skull fire.

Kitty Kat said...

Yes.NOT COOL!!!!
Will visit.
The chicken mummyification will be discusting I think.
We should really have gone for free renge so that they had a GOOD life.

IM A ROOM5IAN said...

yeah.....what brand are the chickens we are getting? did they have a good life?
i think for me this project will be fun if i know that the chickens have had a good life......

Miss Candy said...

i dont agree Im a room5ian, if the chicken wanted to die aren't we doing it a favour?

chickenwing said...

if it wanted to die it would'nt be a crazy chicken?

Skipper Bob said...

suicidal chickens!

theres suicidal humans and humans who wanrt to die
so why can't there be suicidal chickens and chickens who want to die?

SpUdArOoNy said...

ms candy, why would a chicken want to die just to be eaten. i highly think you are wrong there. they most likely would have been tortured or killed in a bad way. [sad i know] but we just have to know that. but anyway i think we did a very good thing for the poor chicks, for, like what kittykat said, respecting it's death and actually doing something about it and not just chowing down on it. i think respect is something that everyone should be given. and the chickens deserved that.

so yeah ms candy, i do not think taht the chickens would have wanted to die. its not like its fun or anything.

PS: someone must have killed it because if it had just died normally..... the insides and head would not have been taken out/off. so if was probably killed in a factory. =[

PSS: im done now.

Smiley 01 said...

I think the chickens are from tegal beacause i saw their logo on the box
p.s I was looking up companies that test their products on animals and i found out that Kleenex (the tissue brand) rub tissues over animals eyes and see if thay go red and stuff.=(

sad aye !!!!

Miss Candy said...

I never use kleenex, go me! besides spud i never said they wanted to die to be eaten, maybe they are being bullied or not liking there life or or some other reason! they all might want to die!

p.s: USE THE SOAP BRAND ST.IVES, WHY? THEY DONT TEST ANYTHING ON ANIMALS!

SpUdArOoNy said...

yes you did. you said.... i dont agree Im a room5ian, IF THE CHICKEN WANTED TO DIE aren't we doing it a favour?

that's copied from your comment miss candy.